Rachel’s podcast interview with Melting Pot:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2GQHtSKINTDwXEl6tcSoI0?si=BvlTwyWwR52-FRVb5845KQ&dl_branch=1&fbclid=IwAR0yH-bijarOtYLxKgQGeUzMsA0GBbMlF-mmyft2eAmo83yLwXrJXqEveqA&nd=1